Nov 04, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47
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#21
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Krytan Explorer
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Some people just dont know what scam is. If 2 people agree on set price, thats not scam. Scam if 2 people agree on the price but in the end the person cheat (say using plat-gold trick) thats scam.
I suppose if I bought greens at normal price not knowing double green drop weekend coming (which will greatly affect the price) means I have been scammed. What a stupid thread this is.
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Nov 04, 2006, 05:18 PM // 17:18
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#22
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2006
Location: GMT+1
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Hardly stupid! Now people know the real worth of those items.
Doesn't matter if you call it a scam or not.
And I never understood why people buy Imperial Com., Monast.Credits, Hydra Claws etc. - never cared actually. But whenever I see hoards of "WTB all your..", I most definitely won't sell my stash right off the bat, before I know what the deal is.
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Nov 04, 2006, 05:22 PM // 17:22
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#23
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Academy Page
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Even if it's not a scam in the classical sense, it's something that players should be made aware of. I don't see it as any different as those individuals who go to pre-searing offering to buy black dyes for chump change. To claim it's simply good business is ridiculous; the dye trader will always give them far more for it. They're preying on other people's inexperience. It's immoral if nothing else.
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Nov 04, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26
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#24
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: CT
Guild: NITE
Profession: R/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
A scam is explicitly manipulating the uninformed. Now you are informed.
Yeesh. You people are discrediting the entire problem just because I called it a "wardrobe malfunction" instead of "Janet's Jackson's boob fell out."
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and faggot means a pile of sticks. Definitions change, and in the case of GW, it usually means using some trick to "scam" gold off of people (switching in trade, crazy crap like that). This, I would not call a scam. I'd just call it a difference in interest. People can do what they want w/ their trade commendations. Selling them low is just hurting them, and if they're that far in the game, they should be intelligent enough to cross-reference prices and wares. Blah.
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Nov 04, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37
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#25
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ultima Thule
Guild: Legacy of Echovald [Echo]
Profession: P/
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Not that a video game has anything to do with stock markets, just throwing some random thoughts in the air here:
At least here in Finland there is a clause that can render a contract null and void if one side of a trade has information that gives him/her an unfair advantage over the other side. So if I had inside information that company X is going to make huge profits over the next accounting period and I bought said company's stocks dirt cheap from clueless person Y, Y could file a claim against me later and win.
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Nov 04, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57
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#26
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Area 52
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OK, to make everyone happy here is a suggestion for the title of the thread:
'Warning! Check the prices of gems before you sell your trade contracts.'
Somehow I think using the word 'scam' is more of an eye-opener/attention getter than the above. Either way Zinger gets the point accross simply and elegantly. For those arguing semantics, meh.
Thanks for the GW public service announcement Zinger.
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Nov 04, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07
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#27
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Banned
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Dude, so many of you are missing the point. Zinger is doing a good thing here informing that people are trying to cheat people out of their potential gold and sapphires/rubies. Who cares that he calls it a scam? And those people blaming the victim? Not everyone knows everything about the game that there is to know.
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Nov 04, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29
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#29
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Sep 2005
Guild: Defenders of the Blackblade [DotB]
Profession: E/
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Zinger, I think I might have seen you warning people in that small town above Kadash Bazaar (don't have the game here and don't remember the name). Ty for the warning anyway.
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Nov 04, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38
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#30
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Manchester, England
Guild: New Dragons [NDR]
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Ok does it matter if its a scam or not?
The point is now you all know what the value of a Trade Contract is worth, without having to work it out yourself when someone says "Can I buy your trade contracts for 400g each?"
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Nov 04, 2006, 07:54 PM // 19:54
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#31
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: S. Wales
Profession: Mo/Me
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Quote:
I love the people selling "Swamp Flowers" for 100-300g in Kamadan. Oh yeah, because walking right outside the zone from the Astralarium and picking one off the ground in a 2 second trip is a service! /sarcasm
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ahhh, When i first got one i found out you can get endless amounts from one flower...spent the day gaving them to pretty ladies (i kid you not) or anyone else who wanted them
Now if i see anyone trying to sell them I simply spam
"Free Swamp flowers, equal to a random vail of dye!"
the conmen soon shut-up
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Nov 04, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20
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#32
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Scotland
Profession: W/N
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It's another way for me to annoy people (i.e inform people in the same room as the guy trying to get the contracts)
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Nov 04, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30
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#33
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Desert Nomad
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Not a scam, but thanks for the warning.
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Nov 05, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08
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#34
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Granite Citadel
Guild: Post Searing Ascalonian Merchants
Profession: N/Me
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This is not a scam, plain and simple, knowledge is power, without the knowledge of market price, you will not get a good deal for your stuff, plain and simple.
Scam has to falsely discredit the opposition, by what zinger said, most pawn shops and antique dealers in the world are scammers.
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Nov 05, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08
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#35
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Chicago IL
Guild: Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]
Profession: W/P
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Regardless of whether this is a scam or not, it is something that everyone should be aware of. The argument about whether or not it technically is a scam is pointless, and I really don't understand why we're having it.
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Nov 05, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24
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#36
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Debbie Downer
Join Date: May 2006
Profession: N/Me
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Well, it seems natural selection is taking its course. Many people in Kodash Bazaar are now warning people about the...uh..."trick," and there's often a huge debate whenever anyone tries to buy Trade Contracts cheaply.
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Nov 05, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55
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#37
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Imagination Land
Guild: I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]
Profession: W/
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scam is manipulating money out of someone else, if they seell for 500g everyone makes a profit
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Nov 05, 2006, 03:05 AM // 03:05
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#38
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Banned
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In the woods
Guild: Elite Crew
Profession: W/E
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I belive we may need the dictonary refference to the term scamming as a sticky on this forum.. because alota folks seem to think smart buisness = scam..
I once asked to see a persons item that they had for sell.. it was a req 9 15^50 chaos axe.. i was very interested and asked the price.. he said offer.. i said 50k
he accepted my offer.. and i got the axe for 50k
He later pmed me back saying that i scammed him because he did not know the real value of the item he was selling... but that is his fault not mine.. so i made money off his lack of knowlege.. unfortunatly that is smart buisness not scamming..
had he not been such a duech about it i would have given him the axe back with a refund.. be he threatend to report me.. and called me all sortsa names.. so im enjoying my chaos axe still to this day.
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Nov 05, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10
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#39
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: New York
Guild: Vanquishing Memories [VM]
Profession: Mo/Me
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This is no scam, its a mere sign of how stupid people can be.
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Nov 05, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19
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#40
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Forge Runner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidra
and faggot means a pile of sticks. Definitions change, and in the case of GW, it usually means using some trick to "scam" gold off of people (switching in trade, crazy crap like that).
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They are scamming gold off of them by exploiting the fact that those people don't know what the trade contracts are used for. It's still scamming even in your 'Guild Wars definition' of scam - it's tricking people out of gold they could make by selling the gems for more than they are being offered for the contracts. You are really bad at arguing a point.
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